Residents in Hollingdean are being asked if they would like a parking scheme.
An online survey has been launched, and is the first stage in introducing parking permits in one of the few areas of the city left without restrictions.
Should residents back residents only parking, Brighton and Hove City Council will then consult them on detailed designs.
At this stage, the survey on the council website asks also asks if people would rather see a full scheme or “light touch” – when parking is restricted for one hour, twice a day.
There is also the option to restrict parking for five or seven days a week.
Hollingdean has experienced increased parking from cars displaced when the zone 10 “light touch” parking scheme was launched in the Surrenden Road area.
Road markings and signs were introduced over three weeks in October and November last year.
Labour councillor Theresa Fowler, who represents Hollingdean and Stanmer ward, pushed for double yellow lines along Davey Drive after drivers started parking on both sides of the road last November.
Her husband was on a 50 bus that could not go up Davey Drive due to the parked cars.
People living in the Davey Drive and Horton Road area have complained of smashed wing mirrors, limited visibility for children walking to school and lack of parking near their homes.
Councillor Fowler also suggested that some vehicles may have come from a car-free student development in Hollingdean Road.
Horton Road and Hollingdean Road are listed on the Road Trip Heroes website and app, alerting drivers to free parking in Brighton and Hove.
The Coombe Road area zone U parking scheme also impacted when it was introduced last year, pushing more people seeking free parking into Hollingdean.
Speaking at the time, Councillor Fowler said: “There are also reports of someone parking a work van overnight and at weekends and then getting into a car.
“So this is also possibly related to the increase in having a second car or van, and so, rather than paying for two permits, they are using Hollingdean to park for free.
“I believe things are getting dangerous all over Hollingdean as cars are now parking dangerously on every corner at Hollingbury Rise as well.”
The initial public consultation is open on Brighton and Hove City Council’s website until Friday, 6 May.
If the cars are dangerous parked then they can be ticketed and/or towed away…it is disproportionate to create a whole new zone just because a bus cannot negotiate the route
The problem started as soon as the council closed the various parking areas where a lot of those vans and other vehicles used to stay, parking places around the open market were taken away all without replacement and across the city.
Parking restrictions, RPZ’s have created this situation I’m afraid. Where Hollingdean is concerned, strange that there wasn’t a problem until new zones were introduced and students returned.
People are mugged off imo, the council introduce parking permits, so traffic moves on to the next street and the next.
The council have not actually addressed the very serious need for somewhere for vehicles to park. Like I said, camper vans and work vehicles used to be parked ironically at Hollingdean yard and there was another at the bottom of Freshfield road, all these vehicles were kicked out onto the streets. And this is the result we find ourselves in.
We haven’t even got a proper place for coaches to park anymore.
Brighton Council are part of the cause and introducing more zones isn’t going to achieve anything just moves it on to the next area and just wait for the complaints to come in and rub their hands together and count the pound notes as more gullible people get mugged off.
Why is it always someone else’s fault, and not the drivers? At a certain point, if they have nowhere to keep their vehicle, then they shouldn’t have it.
Why is it always the drivers fault?
These people that need cars and vans for commuting, for their trades, for journeys where walking, cycling, or buses are not a practical option due to distance, pass, load, or time constraints.
Great if you only ever live, work, and socialise in the city but for anyone else it’s difficult to beat the flexibility, speed, long-distance, all-weather, direct A-B, on-demand capabilities that private transport provides.
I’ve no objection to them keeping their cars if they’re that attached to them, on the condition that they move somewhere else and do their best to offset the ecological impact in other ways.
Some Guy u are an ass. I don’t currently have a vehicle but when I worked in but when I did the convenience of going in early or staying late rather than rely in an hourly bus (at the time) outweigh any inconvenience trying to park when I got home
Some Guy belongs in the Argus comments section not here. This sort of Green zealoutry, bordering on Fascism, displays a disheartening lack of tolerance in a society engineered to require a car for many people.
Paul, I do have a car, not provided by my employer, the NHS, but it contains what I need when I make calls and do things like change dressings and drain lungs. I often carry confidential paperwork or IT so I can access patient notes and look things up.
With the best will in the world, I can’t see everyone I’m expected to in one day on foot or by bike.
Incidentally, my partner has an ankle injury caused by a cyclist riding into him, so now drives an automatic car as he can no longer cycle himself.
The price we pay for a second parking permit has just shot up, but my NHS pay hasn’t.
Some Guy clearly lacks empathy for others or understanding of other people’s circumstances. All well and good if you’re abled-bodied and part of a master race!
Despite it being convenient, Paul, it’s still a major detriment to the city and to the Earth. It would be very convenient if we could just take anything we wanted without paying for it, but we have laws against it and for good reason.
Ali, I’m disheartened to hear that you (presumably an on-call nurse or doctor of some kind) do not have your vehicle provided by the NHS. Think how much easier it would be for you to park your work car (and your husband his much needed mobility-enabling car) if people like Paul could be bothered to catch a bus.
Some Guy
If you had read and understood some of the comments, you’d understand some did have somewhere to park, but BHCC decided to remove vehicle parking places and not replace them.
What a stupid comment 😂
Cars rule OK! 💪🏼
Just wait until the next 90 room student development on Hollingdean Road Is completed. Although the council would have us believe that all students only use cycles several student HMOs in our area have more than one car associated with them.
Good. It would have been nice if we could have had this consultation years ago when residents first started raising concerns, instead of now that Ms. Fowler has herself been inconvenienced and now deems it worth pursuing. The parking situation here has been unbearable for some time, it’s annoying and expensive, but permits appear to be the only way of convincing the people currently taking advantage of us to go elsewhere.
John Kavanagh
Not wanting to be rude, but you’ve just confirmed my point. Re comment : permits appear to be the only way of convincing the people currently taking advantage of us to go elsewhere.
So instead of providing a area for those vans that was taken away, it’s easier for the council to introduce more parking fees and take more money without actually addressing the problem.
The only people taking advantage is the council, the sooner people realise that the council will always take the easy option and won’t do anything about the underlying problem because they can make money the better. Sadly, there’s too many people who are easily mugged off, already people are complaining about the fees increasing. Originally, permits were to be priced at cost only, look at the situation now, some people are so gullible.
Matt, if people weren’t using Hollingdean as part of their commute, as a place to long-term store unloved second/third cars and camper vans, as a place to dump their works vehicles, or simply as a cheap way to store their vehicles rather than pay for works vehicle storage, or a permit for the zone that they have chosen to live in, we would not be in this mess.
I’m all for agreeing on problems within the council, but this isn’t some big conspiracy to take more money out of our pockets.
The owners of those vehicles are entirely to blame for the mess we’re in here, taking advantage rather than taking responsibility for their own recreational/second/third/works vehicles. Why are we suffering because they don’t have the means or wherewithal? Why is it now my problem because they need to find storage for their vans? StorageMart has over forty spaces currently available, it’s not a lack of available resources, it’s selfishness.
As I said: good.
I assume you meant Mart.
I don’t agree the owners are entirely to blame. Hollingdean for example housed many of those vehicles some that were LIVED in and some sort of fee charged for storage. A hire company, other businesses used to store some vehicles in there too, again a fee/rent being charged.
This area was taken away and no provision for where these vehicles could be stored was ever planned for. The open market traders also suffered from loss of parking.
Brighton suffers badly from Council policies with chicanes put in, plant pots and communal bins put in taking out hundreds of parking spaces all over the city including those for residents etc.
While it is acceptable to suggest there are alternative places vehicles could be stored, none are close to the town centre are they ?
The problem with Brighton it does not have a coach/commercial vehicle park that could be used and that’s what needs to be addressed.
It’s a combination of many failings not one single element. Our street had no issues, until RZP’s came into play, then we had problems, until RZP was introduced and that pushed the problem onto the next street and so on. It snowballs.
People who need to travel into work by car need proper places to park, like traders at Open Market, they had places but removed by the BHCC without replacement. Where do you think they park!!!
We had a park and ride, withdrawn by BHCC, where do these people park..
BHCC are making money and doing very little to actually address the underlying problems. Not until every single street is registered as permit holders only, the problem is not going to go away.
We can disagree, but BHCC as well as vehicle owners are the cause of the problems we suffer.
We have a light touch scheme in bear road. The first year I paid for it and basically it meant in the day time when I was at work there was parking, by the time I got home after the restricted time 1800,there was no parking lol. On the weekend if you move your car good luck getting a space when you get back as its free those days. My permit ran out 6 months ago and I no longer pay for it as it was basically pointless. It’s just yet another muggy way for the council to make up money and be seen to be doing something rather than building a proper park and ride system where they could offer long stay. It’s genuinely backwards but I don’t expect common sense from this council
Dave, when the RPZ was first mooted for the Bear Road area the residents were asked which optioned they preferred. For some reason the majority of those who returned the questionnaire opted for the light touch just two hours a day, five days a week option. Presumably as they’re fractionally cheaper than the full scheme which gives residents a reasonable chance of parking in the area they live in.
We quite often have none-residents vehicles parking up outside as soon as the restriction ends on Friday afternoon and remaining until it starts again on Monday – as the saying goes you get what you pay for…
Just so glad we moved out for Brighton. Had the best of it before the greens ruined it. Has the i360 started paying rent yep? Lol.
But yet, here you are. Slavishly following local Brighton news like some sort of maniac.
Hove never had a parking problem until the demented council decided to charge for parking, and, like a game of dominos, each area has had to deal with parking permits to overcome the problems involved. Andy why? A mixture of hatred agains any motorist, combined with utter greed on the part of the Greens, who have done more damage to Brighton & Hove than Hitler managed.
Love it!
It’s everyone elses fault rather than the people taking advantage of free parking.
Sooner or later you lot are going to have to realise vehicle reduction is the only way forwards. Until then please just shout into a pillow rather than online.
So true. In a street of terraces, there’s basically room for one car per house. The council issues one permit per household, which sounds about right to me. If you need space for more, you need to pay for a garage/storage/a house with a driveway. It should be painful to own multiple cars in a place like Brighton, which is densely built, has good public transport and is easily walkable.
I STRONGLY urge all Hollingdean residents to make the effort and fill in the questionnaire and to reject it!
Other areas couldn’t be bothered and now they have voluntarily raised their council tax!
Upper Lewes Road had the same questionnaire.
Something like 3,000 people were asked the same question. Only 210 of these 3,000 people bothered to reply to this questionnaire. Out of that 210 people, 170 said yes.
So now, because 2,790 people couldn’t be bothered, and 170 (provably pro-cycling students did), all 3,000 now have to pay (which before was free) to park outside their own homes!
This is a tax! It’s not a charge!
This charge started at £120 in the first areas. It’s now £160. And it’s going up again!
Once an extra charge has been put in your council tax, there is only one direction that it will go in!
Up!!!
So get your forms! BE BOTHERED to answer them and FILL THEM IN!
And don’t prove to me that turkeys don’t vote for Christmas and reject voluntarily putting an extra £160 (to start with) on your council tax – which is also rising!
Simon, in every parking consultation on https://consultations.brighton-hove.gov.uk/consultation_finder/?keyword=parking+consultation, the majority (65-80%) were in favour of controlled parking. It’s not just a few “pro-cycling students” but the vast majority of car-owners want them. And it’s because when there’s a free-for-all, people from out of the area take advantage, and the residents find it very difficult to park near their houses. I for one will happily pay 50p a day to fund the enforcement of a CPZ.
Since the green took over Brighton,they made the town very anti car ownersship.Parking has become money making for the council. IF Majority disagree. Decision been already made Parking permit will be forced down the throat of residents in this area.
Some Guy
People have vehicles for a number of reasons.
You’ve already highlighted nurse and doctors. Then we can add careers, delivery drivers and other trades personnel.
You thoughtlessly say : how much easier it would be for you to park your work car (and your husband his much needed mobility-enabling car) if people like Paul could be bothered to catch a bus:
Yes use the bus, unfortunately, buses don’t run 24/7 on every route, nor do they go where people need to go. There’s no bus that runs to Ditchling neither is there a Train Station, so I drive because there’s no alternative.
You forget this is a 24/7 City, people have busy lives and need to get from A to B. Cycle Lanes and walking facilities are all good schemes but hardly suitable for everyone.
People use cars because they NEED too, a point a lot of people forget.
> People use cars because they NEED too, a point a lot of people forget.
I absolutely don’t believe this. Some people need their cars, but most just like having them. In this day and age, that’s not good enough.
Some Guy
You don’t believe, well that’s no surprise to me with your various comments.
Your inability to understand that people use their cars for their work because public transport isn’t available at times they need it. Doctors, Nurses, Ambulance, Fire and Police crews are needed 24/7.
Other workers are Bus, delivery and other early/late workers and associated staff need to get into work after public transport has stopped or before they start.
The list of people who ‘NEED’ to use their own transport is endless. Now I need to travel to Ditchling every so often yet there’s no Bus Service that will get me there, there’s no train either. Because of the equipment I need, I can’t cycle and certainly can’t walk it.
Family member runs a cleaning service again various equipment means it is unsuitable for Public Transport, therefore a vehicle is used. There’s just two examples of why I ‘NEED’ to use a vehicle.
I’m sure many people will have their own genuine reasons.
Have you or the council done any surveys on the reasons why people use their own cars, I’ve not seen any so I very much doubt you can provide any evidence that most just like having them ?
Exactly! So enable those that don’t need to drive to get out of their cars and into public transport, walking or cycling and free up the road space for people that do need to drive.
David Haskell
Now you’ve opened up a whole different can of worms…
Well here’s the thing. We experienced a very good local network of a two bus services, operating every 30 minutes, or every 15 minutes doing loops. Bus routes were re-routed, renumbered and went the same way round and service reduced to every 20 minutes, or four buses down to three. Didn’t make a lot of difference. I used to buy a saver and it cost me 7 with dropping the kids off and collecting them after school as I had to travel to Lewes.
The service was then cut to every 30 minutes, again not much of a problem.
Now the big one, the whole service was allegedly re-worked to improve the service offering a fifteen minute frequency, however, only from one end of the route. Our end had been reduced to hourly, at the same time, the route no longer was able to get the kids to school so meant two buses and double the Bus id fares, so 4 a day instead of 2, at the same time, they reduced the Saver area that stopped at Falmer so had to buy a Networker increasing the fare on that. So an increase of 10 per week.
I take the car to Lewes now, cost for parking, 12. Save myself overall even with running costs applied.
Buses aren’t the cheapest of options.
Bus fares are due to go up again this month… And increasing the number of people who might find it difficult to use that form of transport… I know I can’t afford to use the bus as much as I was…
I was born in brighton but now feel like a second class citizen after students. We are surrounded by student accommodation here in hollingdean and next year will get worse when they close student accommodation in eastbourne. They keep building more student accommodation but no parking for them. When I have questioned this I get told students cant afford cars but believe me they have better cars than most of us. We live in a close in hollingdean surrounded by student accommodation & have been told we cannot have permits as we have to partly park on the pavement so imagine how far we will have to park if we are surrounded by permit holders in surrounding streets. We are pensioners & have no family members who live locally we only have one car to our house . I think the only reason we have a green party is because students vote for them perhaps they should go back to there own homes & vote for them there instead of inflicting them on us